Right relation to God. Analyzing Celebrate Recovery (C.R.) By working and applying these Biblical principles, we begin to grow spiritually. Until a chance encounter with my moms old Bible opened my eyes. I am a new creation in Christ and have left a lot behind, but this program keeps digging it back up and putting it in my face. AA was birthed out of what was known as the Oxford Group in the 1930s. Celebrate Recovery Bible by Zondervan Staff (2007, Hardcover) (4) $9.99. So, I dont think we really have differing views on this, as you can be led into a church, program or group to share the truth of Gods Word, without necessarily being a partaker in it. Mental obsession plus physical allergy. I understand that people, even those like myself, have been helped through these programs, however, the ultimate purpose of these programs are to lead people to dependency on the program itself, which is why in the 12th step of the AA program it teaches to: 12) Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs. Joy of living is the theme of the Twelfth Step. I agree with what you are saying, in that we can lead those who are seeking, out of the dangers of AA. You said, Why do we need 12 steps when the only step our Saviour has told us to do is repent and turn away from sin/evil. 22 Seriously Inspiring Quotes About Sobriety From Celebs Like Demi Lovato & Bradley Cooper. Too many pastors use an academic model in which they simply lecture their congregations. Likewise, the acceptance of false doctrine will also impair correct judgment and can lead to spiritual decay/death. Because Celebrate Recovery is based on the Twelve Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous and practiced in thousands of Christian churches without ever being questioned or held up to the light of scripture it is one of the most damaging forms of apostasy in the modern Christian church. According to the Scriptures Alcoholism is defined as drunkeness, so if you profess to be an alcoholic, or once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic, then you are stating to be a perpetual drunkard. Its not my place to tell others what to do. 36If thy whole body therefore be full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light. What an amazing God. Believing you are finally cured of your addiction. Celebrate Recovery is credited with helping destigmatize addiction among evangelicals and opening the church up as a safer place for recovery. Defiance is an out standing characteristic of alcoholics. I know several people who were addicts and now can occasionally partake in rare occasions because they no longer want the life they had before . When Jesus stated, By their fruit you will know them, (Mat 7:16) He was speaking about wolves who appear to be good through what they do, and what they teach, yet are false. Elena, yes, thank you. Through much prayer, and acquiring the Fathers will, the Spirit instructed me when I needed to go back, to finish what He had begun in me. (KJV), 1 John 2:22Who is the liar, if it is not the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? More insights from your Bible study - Get Started with Logos Bible Software for Free! I am glad that you found this blog edifying. So, if you are sharing the truth about Gods Word, and how it contradicts the doctrine and spiritual application within AA, then great, but I am not sure how they would allow that to continue if the leaders of AA became known you were speaking out against the program. Importance of an open mind. No Celebrities Except Jesus: How Asbury Protected the Revival, After Pushing for UMC Unity, Former Bishop Joins New Denomination, The Kings College Faces Threat of Closure, Southern Baptist Convention Disfellowships Saddleback Church, With Gossip of the Gospel, the Church Grows in Nepal. 6 Mar 2015. I decided to leave after that, and not attend the meeting, and I didnt come back for a couple weeks. Yes, you are correct in that we should never simply believe anyones word at something, and I am not offended if you do not believe my testimony. Browse 60+ years of magazine archives and web exclusives. Never believe one persons opinion about something. This was a situation that I had never planned myself but was led through the Holy Spirit to go through and then lead others into the truths pertaining to these programs. He wanted a specifically Christian addiction recovery group, so with the support of Rick Warren, Celebrate Recovery began as a ministry of Saddleback Church under Bakers leadership in 1990. Many alcoholic/addicts are not ready for solid food 1Cor3:2, Heb5:14. However, you can pat yourself on the back for making it . The actual definition given to Sober-minded means to abstain from wine. Also, by their fruits you shall know people. As you can probably imaginethings did not go well for me after that. There were many practices/beliefs that I was led to not partake in. 3525 /nph (be sober, unintoxicated) refers to having presence of mind (clear judgment), enabling someone to be temperate (self-controlled). Dishonesty in recovery is dangerous because: It is a common relapse trigger. I couldnt wrap my mind around the Beatitudes being misrepresented in the steps of CR. B. I prayed about matters, and asked Him what His will was for me to do, and how to instruct this woman. 3 ; Recognize that Im not God. The spirit is willing, but the body is weak." We've been talking the last seven weeks about coming out of the dark, exposing our problems to the light of God's love, and . Step Two is a rallying point to sanity. 10h 30m. Whether you choose a Christian rehab center that uses the Celebrate Recovery program or follow a different approach, you can find the help you need to live a sober life. We are all broken and in need of a Saviour; my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ,. Email vriggins@graceclarksville.com. From that point on, I cannot recall all that I spoke, however, I remember the power of the Holy Spirit was so strong, that not only did I literally believe that time was stopped for me to speak, but I could feel all the demons around me being held back and I was engulfed in this protective shell. As they had all turned their backs on Yeshua/Jesus and His Word, they then had no problem turning their back on me. Both alcohol and drugs impair judgment and control of the body. Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous. The Bible tells us to hate sin and evil, to cut it out of our life. I fully agree! They know that it worked for them, and thats the greatest story they have.. Celebrate Recovery is for adults 18 years and older. I know what you are implying with sin sickness as it has to do with things I already addressed in my blog and is a strong lie taught within AA/CR. Theyre always there to help somebody if theyre struggling. In such ways we want them to get sober in any way that works for them so not to affect others. Not only that, but these biblical comparisons are verses that are taken completely out of context, and have absolutely nothing to do with what they are trying to fit, it is like trying to fit a square peg into a round holeAnd just as like above, there is no mention of the these addictions being sin, but rather what is called: hangups, habits, and character defects; and of course no mention of repentance either. A perpetual drunkard, is being in perpetual sin, and those who do so, do not inherit the Kingdom. There was initially some resistance, as I have witnessed with so many others, as this becomes a crucial point for many, as they take that step in obedience. (Pgs 8-9). Gal 5:19The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; 20idolatry and sorcery; hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions, 21and envy; drunkenness, carousing, and the like. Dr. Clint Archer is a pastor of many years whose international ministry has taken him to 22 different countries so far. So before I continue on with my story, I would like to go through some areas of AA. He told me exactly what would happen, and how it would play out. 15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. Barb, thank you for commenting! If I were to base my experience and how it made me feel as the only factors of judgement on such practice, I would consider it to be good. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. Anxiety causes us to waste precious energy dealing with past hurts hiding stuff and fear of being found inept kept me from present Hiding kept me Change can only happen in the present . The most common reason why people relapse after a period of sobriety is that they become stuck in recovery. The Dangers of Dishonesty in Recovery. I too may have mixed feelings about this post. Forest Brook Community Church. Amen brother, you are correct, we cannot be unequally yoked with unbelievers, or mixing light with darkness(2 Cor 6:14). The only way for that to happen is through repentance of these programs/doctrines. Title: Celebrate Recovery 1 CelebrateRecovery! 10The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.(KJV). Im going through something similar at my job. Giving that asks no reward. I appreciate you sharing your insight and the leading of the Lord that you have followed without wavering. During the worship time, I sat in the back reading my Word. He partied in college at the University of Missouri and as an officer in the air force, and his drinking habit grew as his career in business took off in his 30s. 2. Worrying about the past and dreading the future makes us unable to live and enjoy God's plans for us in the present. The ministry is "group based." All groups are gender specific and use the Small Group . Leviticus 19:31Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD(YHWH) your God. I do believe reaching others, Addicts, Alcoholics and whom so ever will through the church is the area of your calling. I lived at AA and Alanon meetings for years and was helped tremendously and then almost completely stopped. Baker immediately saw the need to connect the gospel with the recovery program he had gone through. (KJV), John 10:7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. Meditate on this Scripture passage, and allow the Holy Spirit to bolden your faith and courage in Him to speak the truth: Joshua 1:9Have I not commanded you to be strong and courageous? How should a Christian view addiction? And theres many avenues to recover. Celebrate Recovery is a biblical and balanced program that helps us overcome our hurts, hang-ups, and habits. When I was in CR (Celebrate Recovery) which I talk on within most of my post and testimony, is that God used me to bring His Light and truth to the darkness that both AA/CR have as a foundation. What does the Bible say about drunkards? The Dangers of AA (Alcoholics Anonymous) and Celebrate Recovery. Even the very symbol that is used on the AA book is very occultic, as seen from the pictures provided. So, I hope that in sharing the truth with people within AA, you are not identifying with this. Celebrate Recovery. Recovery is a term that primarily denotes a process of physical healing. I was never once told that it was a sin. AA is just another false religion, trying to go in another way: We have no desire to convince anyone that there is only one way by which faith can be acquired(Alcoholics Anonymous Big Book, pg. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. Celebrate Recovery (CR) is a national, Christ-centered self-help program hosted by local churches to help people struggling with addiction or other life-controlling issues. What partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? 7Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD(YHWH) your God. We cannot trust our experiences and how we feel as a sole measure of something to be good. Giving that asks no reward. Readiness to receive free gift lies in practice of Twelve Steps. Also, during this time, I was able to minister to quite a few women, and also became a sponsor.. I began slowly and shared about the woman Yah first had me sponsor, and I recited Acts 2:38, and I went through the 10 Commandments, and what sin is, and what repentance is. Daly City Celebrate Recovery. The magnificent reality. About Of Dangers Recovery Celebrate I will also provide links at the very end, that I found helpful while doing my own research, that may help you as well. Wow. At Saddleback, it became the top outreach ministry, with 70 percent of participants coming from outside the church. I told her, I know, but it has nothing to do with with you telling me, but rather it was already the Fathers will for me not to come back after this. Gender-specific Groups meet for issues with anger, co-dependency, chemical addiction food addictions, sexual integrity, survivors of abuse, grief, and life issues. CR is for anyone with a hurt, habit or a hang up. 8,093 talking about this. Throughout scripture, Yeshua/Jesus tells us to not be deceived, and in order to obey that command, we have to be willing to test the practices, programs and doctrines we have accepted into our lives. Download Celebrate Recovery and enjoy it on your iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch. Creation of C.R. When I was very young in my faith and had little discernment into things and practices I was doing, I had gone to get a different kind of massage called a chakra massage. I have found that times when I am feeling too comfortable, that I am not growing or stepping out where I should be. Much love to you Kellie and your endeavors . Have been having more and more doubts about it as time has gone on. However, I knew what Yah had spoke to me, and He said that I shall be the first to speak. I say dont throw out the baby with the water. There is nothing greater than the blood of the Lamb, the true Creator of the Heavens of the earth, and the King of Kings Lord of Lords, Yeshua. nph: to be sober, to abstain from wine. Celebrate Recovery founder John Baker, who turned his testimony recovering from alcoholism into a biblical 12-step program used by more than 7 million people, died unexpectedly on Tuesday at age 72. From that point forward, I was actually prohibited from bringing or reading my Bible in the group. Recognizing these dangers will help you avoid a possible problem in the future. Call us today at 800-256-3490 to begin your journey. True sobriety is not only having control over the body, but also the mind. If you have a drinking problem in 2014, or a drug problem, or a gambling problem, your medically, socially, culturally, and politically mandated solution is a set of 12 . Perhaps, in learning these truths, God might want you to share this with others; and yes, while you are correct, it might, and probably will offend. Romantic relationships can be a great source of happiness in sobriety, but they can also be the source of great pain. If so, then I challenge you to put your emotions aside from the program, and dig into the Word. Why must every A.A. hit bottom? It isnt just the impact he had on individual lives but on all of those who loved those who decided to walk into a Celebrate Recovery meeting.. It reminds me of a favorite passage of mine: Hebrews 11:25Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; 26Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward. (Mat 16:19-20). It becomes an addiction because the flesh craves it. Needless to say, CR has had a major influence on the church. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Yeshua is still in the healing and deliverance ministry. There is a saying I have heard often, which goes something like this, None of these women, spoke to me again, nor did I ever go back to Celebrate Recovery, as my assignment there was done. However, the cost of sharing the truth with others, is rejection. If God can work through the mouth of a mule he can work through anyone he chooses. Also on the part of forgiveness, we ar encouraged to also forgive God. Sustained and personal exertion necessary to conform to Gods will. For it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose. The Birthright: Salvation and the Role of the Firstborn, Christmas Unwrapped: Why I No Longer Celebrate Christmas, The Deception of the New Age Awakening through DNA, Why I No longer Vaccinate: A Veterans Story. Once you know better, you do better. Also, during this time, I was able to minister to quite a few women, and also became a sponsor. Plight of the disillusioned. While your experiences, are your experiences, they should never override that of sound doctrine. Go and see for yourself. This is why we are warned throughout the NT writings to not be deceived. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. Celebrate Recovery is a Christ-centered ministry of discipleship and healing designed to help adults and families overcome different struggles in life as they grow together in a relationship with God. It wasnt until I became a facilitator that I began questioning the program. After I spoke, the atmosphere was so thick, you could have cut it with a knife. Just as I am whereever I am. People were healed and delivered from blindness, leprosy, epilepsy, demon-possession, sexual lusts and perversions, etc. So, with my final mission in view, with bible in hand, I walked into Celebrate Recovery for the last time. Would you disagree that we should take God/YHWH at His Word if we profess to walk in His truth? This is why I had thrown away the Blue Book, as well as an Alateen book I had aquired when I was younger. My KJV Bible is all I need in this life plus my brothers and sisters in Christ. Even if you do not believe God or His Word, consider this from the view of simple logic: how can a behavioral choice be a disease? Christian Fellowship has an active missions program. Blind yourselves and be blind! A person could choose Buddha, Allah, Shati, Satan, as well as AA itself. Many coming into AA are ready for a change in life spiritually; its a great harvest ground. Dangers of Celebratory Occasions in Recovery Most people in recovery will be prepared for their sobriety to be tested when times are hard. (KJV), Leviticus 20:6And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people. His whole purpose of me going there was to gain insight into these areas, help those who He placed across my path, and then expose and confront the lies of it. Pastor John was never content just to save souls. (Heb 10:26) God has grace and mercy for us when we are being led in ignorance, yet we are held to a higher standard when the truth of a matter is presented to us. Hi Kellie, These were also women who professed His Name, one even ironically being from Saddleback. I know it would offend the people in the program if I were to discount or question it or say my discomfort. For those who would like more resources here are some links: http://www.anti-antichrist.com/soap/lanagan.html, http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/aaroots.html, https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/ (Search for AA).
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