These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.. Ok so he starts attempting to pull the heart strings about loved ones that you are around daily, and if you are telling them enough about getting saved etc. Independent Fundamental Churches of America, https://www.britannica.com/topic/Independent-Fundamental-Churches-of-America, Official Site of IFCA International, Grandville, Michigan, United States. Im made of dirt, but God is gonna let my neighbor go to Hell because the dirt-clod next door didnt give him a Chick tract!! What Jesus is talking about in Matthew 5 is ceremonial law. Shortly after the Church of England fell from grace when the English monarch was overthrown and the Presbyterians became the favored church of the state. 4.) First anytime a mans name is attached to a system of theology my antennae go way up, think Campbell, Calvin, Arminius, Smith etc. Members are encouraged to post contact information for such churches. Is this really what youre doing here? This church had no ties to anyone or any other church, yet this was a Baptist church as much as any Baptist church ever was. SOme Calvarly CHapels Im sure are good felloships. If I was wearing a sponge Bob square pants costume while leading worship I would probably be asked to change into something more appropriate. The Reformers were those who protested against certain abuses within the Roman Catholic Church. I think that you should go kill your children. Bottom line, tithing was commanded for Jews under Law. He is much better at it than we are. (See also Gal. In answer your assumptions about me. I cannot know. Thank you. http://www.av1611.org/ this web site is dial-the-truth ministries, but I call them dial-the-. Tithing preceded the NT and ended with the establishment of the New Covenant. Mark 7:7, Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. halftruth and deception ministries. (Hebrews 4:15-16 and 10:19-22) Despite his views he was made the pastor of the church in Salem. For IFB churches, most use this as a baseline in their giving with II Cor 9:7 for guiding in the heart of giving. This was the best onemembers in our church raise hands, say amen, clap after special music (GASP! Patrick was born in Scotland in 360 AD and sold into slavery at age sixteen and carried to Ireland. It is believed that God meant what he said in Revelation 22:18, the Scriptures were not to added to or taken from. An Independent Fundamental Baptist church exists for the sole purpose of evangelizing the world with the saving Gospel of Jesus Christ. Its ugly and frustrating. Thier is nothing harmful in regard sto relating to other denominations if ny that you mean fellowships that are Christian. HARVEY ND 58341 (701) 324-4415 CH/HM. Furthermore I believe it involved religion. God bless. Some of these churches have gone so far to even deny the fundamental teachings of the Bible, such as the deity of Christ, the virgin birth and salvation by the Grace of God, through faith. The Independent Baptist believes that to join with churches who teach and practice false doctrine is condone and even show approval of Biblical error and that all doctrinal error is sin. You want to point out that you think that I have anger issues, but have a look at your comments, I dont see awhole lot of love dripping off of your comments either. My point is that Tithing is good since Jesus says they should not have left it undone. 7.) Our Mission Is to help you find a bible believing church, an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, that seeks to serve and honor the Lord Jesus Christ. Our Beliefs JESUS CHRIST Jesus Christ is at the center of everything. Right down to exactly a tenth. The bulk of your comments were about the historical background of the Church of Christ movement. Puritan churches persecuted the Baptists in America until the U. S. Constitution was made the law of the land in 1787. I dont like dressing up. They wanted to bring reform to the Church of England. History records the members of this Baptist church went back to England or remained in Holland and joined Mennonites. Puritans and Baptists alike, to escape persecution, migrated to the New World. I doubt I would be allowed to wear Just a Speedo to any Church on a regular basis. A church that is a biblical one, patterns its self-after the example in the New Testament. Still others rail about the same sin constantly, possibly out of their own guilt. In 1678, shortly after the church had erected a new building, the Puritan controlled government nailed its doors shut and forbade anyone under penalty of the law to enter or worship there. Baptists strongly insist that Gods Word is not up for arbitration or subject to the individuals, groups, denominations or churchs private interpretation. I am a former fundamental baptist member, I would like to request any assistance on clarification regarding the contradictions of doctrine of Paul and Jesus. Oopsin 1st paragraphh in one sentence I actually meant something more like this: the Law is fullfillednow we can truly do good works that are pleasing to the Lord for the sins are washed away with & following the Law to make us right, which it never could but only point to our need for redemption, is fullfilled. In 395 AD, Emperor Contantius Christianized Rome and made the worship of idols punishable by death. http://www.nakedpastor.com/2011/01/27/total-unaccountable-power/. I believe that the King James Version is the inspired, preserved Word of God for the English speaking people I just wanted you to know that I have made the decision to leave the IFB. HWY 3 NW. It is the Lords tithe, and God chose to use his tithe in the OT and in the NT for the maintenance of the priesthood (those that are called out for the specific service of God in ministering to the Lord and to the people on behalf of the Lord) and the maintenance of the house of God a place wherein Gods people assemble for the purpose of worship (honoring) the Lord. But the police proceeded to arrest them and throw them in jail. Again adhering to correct doctrine and proper practices should be the focus in our lives. As for relating to other denominations and Catholocs, I believe that that is also harmful if one is not strong enough in their faith. This is the true heritage the Fundamental Baptists holds dear, there have always been assemblies which submitted themselves only to the sole authority of the Word of God. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception. Nothing comforted. I would prefer just wearing casual clothes like I do just about every time. I can relate i was in a IFB church, glad to be out. It was my burden since then that it seems Jesus wants to gather His flock, but the Wolf in Sheeps Clothing really scattered the sheep resulting to lots of denominations. 74. We preach modest clothing (unfortunatly most of the girls at my church dont adhere to it in that they wear skirts that expose all but a few inches of the upper leg). Tithing preceded the OT Law. The Puritans were in control of the colonies and in fact had set up a theocracy in which the Puritan church governed both secular and religious affairs. Churches dont have the right to make rules about dress apart from Scriptural guidelines and principles. King James (KJV) Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches in Arkansas. 13:8-10). By 1644, these congregations grew to seven churches. IndependentBaptist.com was founded in an attempt to bring back the principles that lifted our movement in the 60's and 70's and that need to be revived in this day. Perfectly Preserved Word of God Deception, 67. We all make mistakes, the only thing we can do is apologize and attempt to do better. . In other words, when the Bible speaks, the words have a literal meaning and that it the meaning God intended. It is a historic fact the first Baptist church in America was founded by another Baptist congregation. Im not sure what the Word of God sais about dress. Sure you used scripture, but only as a hammer to bash Greg on the head. -What about the Jerusalem Council in Acts (I believe I am using the right title here, but I have not check my accuracy)? So how all USA (& most Developed Nations tithe, etc) is no different than at my IFB Church fellowship I attend. Greg all churches that suppoort Tithing as a good thing (incl IFB, CALVARLY CHAPEL, Many Non-Denominational Chruches,etc) Tithe a Tenth of thier income to building Gods Kingdom. Fundamental Baptist use the name in its strictest sense as meaning holding to the fundamentals of the New Testament teachings without error. Join us for lively old-fashioned singing, fellowship, (and yes!) Adulterous generally hide their actions. Examples: Billy Graham, Promise Keepers. The Pharisees tithed on all their belongings. This is the only point that I disagree with of IFB doctrine. The New Testament is the authority in all matters of faith and practice. Encyclopaedia Britannica's editors oversee subject areas in which they have extensive knowledge, whether from years of experience gained by working on that content or via study for an advanced degree. However, let no one think little of the name of Baptist for it is the name that most has identified those individuals and churches who have uncompromisingly stood on the Word of God. No new testament christian anywhere in scripture, that I know of, is compelled to give a tithe. He strongly believed in separation of church and state and upheld the principles of soul liberty. And Im so glad for the Great Is Thy Faithfulness versefavorite song! While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. I posted my last post like 3 days ago and it just came up recently. Ive told bits and pieces of my story here over the last couple of years, so dont want to travel back through all of that, suffice it to say I left a very legalistic IFB, and now find myself in a tiny, new work that a friend started about 4 years ago (about 20 on Sunday) he calls it a Baptist church, I spoke to him about taking the baptist title out of it, but he wouldnt have it. We don't have enough information about nwbbc.com safety, we need to dig a little deeper before we make the call. He then began to ask me questions and we had a good conversation centered around God from there on. Sure enough, Stedfast Baptist Church, founded in 2017, is not a large or well-known church. The KJV is a wonderful translation and very valid for its time, and you, like many others love it for its beautiful shakesperean english. Jesus Peace, Joy, and Guidance be with us all. Youve done nothing to, directly compare doctrine and practices using scripture to make the assertion which is correct.. I have never dressed up for a Church Service and I think people should come how they want. . Tithing was never required for anyone except Jews who lived under the Mosaic economy. G.L. Independent Baptist Directory of Churches. It is my conviction that it is not possible to trace an unbroken line of Baptist churches from Christ until today. Anyone not holding Episcopal ordination was forbade to hold services. [CDATA[ It was founded because some saved men believed the Bible and wanted to follow the New Testament example of what a true church should be. : Yes Address: 1101 Pennsylvania Ave Monaca Pennsylvania 15061 United States Service Times: Sunday School 9:30, Sunday Morning 10:30, Sunday Evening: N/A as of 2/2023, Wednesday 6:30 Phone: 724-252-7885 Pastor's Name: Kevin Draganac I found a load of stuff about people who claim certain Calvarly Chapels misueded them & did not know Bible & also on ehere in Maryland has a onliune tithe on website! I can certainly forgive you. 601 1ST AVE SE . America needs great Independent Baptist churches again. John was Gods true prophet and the forerunner of the Messiah Jesus Christ, but he was not a part of the dispensation of the institution of the local church. CALVARY BAPTIST CHURCH. I will not post here again. Christians should be recognized by their love for Jesus and one another. Headquarters are in Grandville, Michigan. My study of the word psalms is that it includes singing with a musical instrument. Assistant Pastor of Fellowship Baptist Church in Watertown, WI since 2017. God richly bless you and Merry Christmas! In 1645, he formed a Baptist church in London. @ Bob & Greg, I cant say how much I agree with your posts. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. Any professed church that does not recognize these is Apsotasy & not the Church. Hear personal testimonies and watch missionary slideshows with RealAudio narratives. Please do not take this the wrong waybut coming from someone who I think is more objective (i was not raised in a IFB, just joined, been a part of non-denm & other denm fellowships), well here goes in love: it almost seems like you have an axe to grind with IFB Church. I understand all that. I think it is true that God certainly does choose people and draw them to Himself. Good job Greg!in reference to your reply to Rachel above. He was heavily fined and then imprisoned. Through preaching the New Testament, the Gospel went forth in power and the Baptist movement grew rapidly. Im a Southern Baptist and celebrate Jesus and His grace! The old testement tithes went to the Levite priests to support them (Numbers 18). Independent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such things as evangelism. Also, from personal expreicnei know how it feels to be spirtually abused. Dress codes are not the problems. Christs death ushured in teh New Covenant where ceremonial law for the remission of sin is replaced with grace and mercy. Or second, you could be referring to those who held to Baptist beliefs and were called by the name Baptist. So the the issue is that there has to be a Biblical standard for dress. Independent fundamental Baptist churches include those loosely affiliated in fellowshipsmore common in the Northas well as those whose pastors may share particular networksmore common in. For an example there is Patrick of Ireland. Though we no longer keep the ritual and sacramental law, Gods moral laws and prophesies of things yet to come are not to be ignored. than we pray that they will get right with God Now I am in full agreement with you that we should support our places of worship with our monetary gifts, but a mandatory tithe for new testament christians? Independent churches have no organized organization over them in authority. . A true New Testament church bases its faith, practice and authority solely in the Word of God. True New Testament Christians have always rejected such unbiblical ideas. Nowhere in the Bible do I see that Christians are recognized by their clothing. In my civilian life..and please do pray for our military..I am very honored to serve as Senior Pastor of Coral Ridge in Jacksonville (FL). The most important center of early Baptist churches was around Philadelphia, the city of brotherly love. In 1684, Thomas Dungan started a church at Cold Springs, New York which lasted until 1702. Greg, Baptist as a whole were patriots and many Baptist pastors served as chaplains in the Revolutionary Army. The message is set. I humbly asked a question. In 1539 thirty one more who had fled to Holland were apprehended and martyred there. The business is listed under baptist church category. Although, many Protestants returned in part to a belief in the Bible as their authority for their faith and practice, not one of them EVER completely left all the doctrinal errors and false teachings of the apostate Roman Catholic church. They are guilty of not holding the Head, the Lord Jesus Christ. The Great Awakening stirred religious interests in the colonies and a reported great revival took place. Today we are excited to announce Independent Baptist Churches. Each year members profess 16 articles of faith that include the original five points of fundamentalismthe literal truth of divinely inspired scripture, the Virgin Birth and deity of Christ, substitutionary atonement through Christ, the Resurrection, and the Second Coming of Christ. The Independent Baptist church has a congregational form of government with each member having the right of the vote and all the affairs of the churches are conducted by the local congregation following the guidelines of the New Testament. They do not find support in the Bible for such a requirement. This charter was the very cornerstone of American religious freedom! The Trinity: God is one What and three Whos with each Who possessing all the attributes of Deity and personality. Not because of how we dress but by who we are. I dont know of any areas where their teachings are unbiblical or fundamental. His resources are free from this sight. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) movement is a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their belief in certain religious doctrines and a shared brand of deeply anti-LGBTQ and antisemitic teachings. Martin Luther until his death held to this false sentiment and disputed with the Swiss reformer Ulrich Zwingli (1484-1531), over the matter. These New Testament believers rejected every attempt to include them in with the other churches who compromised and accepted the Roman governments money, rule and authority. God knows if he ever accepted Jesus Christ as his Saviour. He became an outspoken Separatist or dissenter of the State church. Northwest Bible Baptist Church is an old-fashioned, independent, fundamental Baptist church in Elgin, IL that believes, preaches, and practices the Bible. He is light years away from the legalism of the last church, but holds tightly to the KJV (too tightly I think) but is not fanatical like the last pastor. Although, they were not as corrupt as the Church of England, they still practiced a strict ritual of church service, a state church, and among other things, infant baptism. The form is submitted along with the recommendations of other Calvary Chapel clergymen. If that membership does not disqualify us I would say that we qualify as true baptists under your definition of the term. Pointing out failures of pastors, church congregations and movements can be informative as long as we also point out that not all, or even most of the groups involved are entwined in grevious and blatant sin. The mighty IFB has spoken It looks like I'm wasting my time. I would like comment on each trait if you dont mind: You can tell when people actually study their Bibles. Read all (mor ethan on epost under name Lynne). Its not that I wouldnt want to give to bothbut if I only have 30 dollars; Id rather give to feed, clothe, house & most of all share the Gospel vs just feed, clothe & housed. @Saved By Grace About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright . I hope you can forgive me for perpetuating those stumbling blocks. v-43 Stop grumbling among yourselves, Jesus answered. Bob Just want to commend you on how clearly you are able to elucidate on a given topic, Im envious. Ok, so Im pretty sure you are referring to the Church of Christ that was founded by good ol Thomas Campbell (1763-1854) He was a fine Scottish Presbyterian who left Ireland to come to western PA. in 1807. The Revolutionary War for some time slowed the growth of Baptist churches. I thought that this was the passage you were referring to. Read More. Thank you for the article, for your love for the King of all Kings. The new testament says Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. that pretty much destroys the idea of someone being forced to give. As far as I can tell, we are not cultic in any way and just like any other denomination we have our doctrinal differences. 4) strict obedience to the pastor We believe that Jesus is the only one who can reconcile us to God. Many Anabaptists churches were strong New Testament churches believing and following the Word of God. He brings up the subject of God and church all the time. Greg, But I also would agree that just about every other Church denomination has strict dress standards as well. I have also spend a good bit of down time ruminating over my beliefs of my church, and the fallacies of their theology. He said from the pulpit, No one ever asked me if I was a Christian while out in public! Im thinking thats not a good thing. I attend an Independent Baptist church and Ill answer your questions Really!! Believers are not set apart by the clothing they wear so much as their conduct, character, and lifestyle. The charge recorded against him was that he broached and divulged new and dangerous opinions against the authority of the magistrates. You will find, to the left, a tags cloud as well as a category drop down menu. They were intolerant to anyone who did not agree to the authority of the Puritan church, which was supported by a governmental church tax of all the people. We dress however we want, however, my Pastor chides me in good nature, because I frequently wear black clothing, but he is not being critical. To hold to the secessionist position takes the authority away from the New Testament and places it in the hands of man. Anyhow he screamed through most of it (funny I never see Jesus screaming at folks, particularly His followers) told some fantastic tales, not saying he was lying, but, well you know what I mean. I think it is exactly right to see that without divine drawing, no one ever would come to Christ. We have the freedom to give as much as we like, without any compulsion. They practice the Biblical teachings of separation as stated in Ephesians 5:11, which says, Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Our Pastor teaches that Baptism does not save us and is no a requirement of salvation. On May 28, 1665, a Baptist church was founded in Boston, by Thomas Gould, who refused to accept infant baptism. I have to chuckle every time I think about a comment our former IFB pastor said about lifestyle evangelism as he puts it. Many Baptists were executed by the newly formed Church of England during what is called the Protestant inquisition. @greg So I wonder again is this God desire or your thing? One of the cops finally suggested giving them all their American money and theyd be free to go with a warning. Seeking to be faithful to the Word of God, the early Bible church movement sought to provide fellowship, counsel, and cooperation. Its so important to ask Gods help in forgiving themotherwise satan can get a foothold. I read what you wrote, thats why I replied with what I wrote. The point is the name Baptist in the beginning was used to designate a true New Testament assembly that was biblically sound. Some formed new churches and called themselves Baptists to make it clear that they believed and followed the New Testament. There's only one way to heaven, and that . Would you agree with me on this? Do you think you can bring others to Christ in this manner? However, let me strongly say there has always existed an unbroken line of churches who have not erred from the faith, and been true to the Bible, Gods Word. Nope, dont see that. Calvary Chapels do not believe that baptism is necessary for membership in a local assembly. Proverbs 21:24, Proud and haughty scorner is his name, who dealeth in proud wrath. It was almost like watching 12yr olds trying to run a corporation. This site and others consistently speak about folks that follow and uplift man, in my faith I want only to lift up the God-man!! I have heard people argue that a certain type of dress is more attractive to the world, or woman wearing dresses sets them apart as being different. 1:6-10, 1 Tim. Filter Churches. We believe in salvation by grace through faith as described in Ephesians 2:8-9. I assume you are referring to the errant position that many Pastors, Deacons, or Elders have taken placing themselves between God & Man. The point is Jesus not only did not condem it but He said it should not have been left undone. Gossips offer plausible deniability. Jesus upheld tithing because the Mosaic law was still in force for the Jews until the death of Christ. PO BOX 292. And I dont study my Bible enough and would say no one does. Blessings. Matthew 7:1&2, Judge not, that ye be not judged. Unfortunately, serious Bible study is in short supply these days. I know of no place in scripture where a tithe is ever money! Shortly after that, Williams withdrew from the church and became what he called a seeker. History does not record why he would not identify himself as a Baptist. In only a few years however, the church had lost all but ten members to the Mennonites and other groups in Holland. either. From a Calvary Chapel web site: We do not maintain church membership; You must be born again spiritually to join the church of Jesus Christ, therefore membership is in the whole church of Jesus, not just our local fellowship., This practice stems from their Moses model (top down) style of church leadership. In 1688 a Baptist church was organized at Pennepeck, Pennsylvania with twelve members. God, I believe deliberately used isolated groups in many different places during time to preserve His church and did not choose to use a line or chain of churches to past His Word and authority on to the next generation. Ive become weary of those labels, and the Baptist one carries alot of baggage now. ANyone who wont give to thie ronw family or help the place where they go to felloship togther (bills etc) is pretty lousy I think & no amount of preaching it will probally make a differenc eunless God pricks thier hearts. Some IFB are good fellowships, some Plymouth Brethren Open) are good fellowships..etc. Many Protestant denominations still hold to the writings of their church fathers as a source of church doctrine and have never accepted the Bible as their sole source of teachings for their faith and practice, which is a foundational teaching of Catholicism. Have been over twenty years, and have attended probably ten or more IFB churches here in Ohio and elsewhere, and I have never met an IFB pastor who didnt include scriptures from the Old Testament as well as the New Testament, in his sermons. John 10:10, I understand what you are saying about these kind of messages with strong emotional appeals. If you have any more questions or comments (as long as they are not rude), please feel free to email me again. Suppose too that some of them on reading that Bible were to believe and repent of their sins and place their trust in Gods Son and His redemption for personal sin. Tithing is no longer a requirement and God doesnt not require a tithe for obedience as is preached in todays churches. watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it Pastors Deserve Double Salary? I sat next to this mans bed for hours as he screamed in agony and torment. 8. Its nothing personal, just logic. God cares not for your works, your baptism, your church attendance, or your social status. I feel silly because some of the things I stood up for on this site are the same things that made me leave. Later, the Dutch issued new orders and allowed religious liberty. LEARN MORE ABOUT THE DANGERS OF THE MODERNIST CHURCH Using the KJV only is not the problem. It tried to explain and figure out why IFB churches seem to be drying up and closing their doors. It is my conviction that this is contrary to the very foundation of what is a true New Testament church. He showed me a . No, we are to teach and preach the Word. We use our monetary resources alone. I dont know what you are referring to by saying they dont use the O.T.? They were just outside of the resort area on the beach at night and were stopped by a group of policemen. Share this: You could mean those persons or churches which held to the Baptists beliefs although they may not have called themselves Baptists. (I Corinthians 15:1-4) Further, if a person is truly saved and strictly follows the principles of the New Testament he will in a true sense be a Baptist whether he uses the name or not. These worldly churches still call themselves Baptists but in fact they do not believe or practice what true Baptists have historically believed and more importantly what the Word of God says. As a matter of fact, you cannot be a member of a Calvary Chapel. Everyone wanted attention from the pastor and never left the man alone to truly study Gods Word. He said he could tell because I had a joyful spirit. NoI simply believe we are not required to tithe (like keeping law) but it is a good thing to if one wants to. I have spoken to my pastor about this, and he insists that its fine for me as a parishioner to come as I am, but he as a pastor should be dressed alittle better, I told him if that is a personal conviction that is fine, but did he have any scripture to support that, of course he didnt. Steve must have been on vacation or something. In fact, I have no close friends that attend the same church as me. There are no rules about what to give at all. There are a number of other wrong teachings w/in this church but the false teaching about baptism is far and away the biggest, some of the others are, not believing in eternal security, and close behind is not believing that one can know that you are saved. Google Maps shows it located in a modest strip mall in Jacksonville, Florida, alongside an arcade, a . No church in the NT took that label. Secessionism is the gross error of Catholicism. I went on to share with her that in that same passage it says, singing psalms, hymns (which by the way modern churches are throwing out) and spiritual songs. Certainly we are not responsible for people we never have an opportunity to witness to. It is important to note too, that each Believer must be passionate about winning lost folks to Christ. . The pastor's name is Kevin Draganac.