What affect would bending an iron 2 degrees stronger have? GolfWRX_Official I'm curious what effect bending the irons 1 or 2 degrees strong would have on the irons playability. Watch this great video here if you are curious on how to bend the lie angle of a club using a loft/lie machine: Impact tape is a tape that a club fitter places on the face of the golf club that creates marks of where the golfer struck the ball on the clubface. A lot of mixing and matching Undershooter Due to how DeChambeau delivers the club, his 4-iron has a stated loft of 16 degrees; the stock Ping i230 comes in at 22.5 degrees. All data in this article is gathered from Shot Scopes database of over 140,000 golfers and in excess of 250 million shots recorded using performance tracking products such as the unique PRO LX+ laser rangefinder. As club fitters, you have to find the balance between measurable results and what the customer THINKS is happening. I teach golf on the Eastern side of Michigan where I am the Director of Instruction for three golf courses. So if you have the time, watch this cool video that I really like explaining how important lie angle is for your golf game: Having and knowing the correct lie angle of your clubs will be a game changer, I promise! It is hard for some golfers to understand how irons with more loft can help them hit the ball farther, and this is understandable. Ping Glide wedges w/Recoil 110 I am now thinking I am just going to bend my 712 Ap2 irons to the 714 AP2 specs so my gaps will match up better with my wedges. I have a 17-degree 4-wood, a 21-degree hybrid, a 26-degree hybrid, and a 29-degree iron as my longer (non-driver) clubs. Nick is a Certified Performance Club Fitter at Carl's Golfland in Bloomfield Hills, Mich. Introduce Yourself/ WIYB (What's In Your Bag), Lessons, Drills, Mental Game, and Fitness Tips. The GI/SGI clubs are basically directed to help players with lesser abilities to hit the golf ball, usually that also means lower swing speeds. Are their ways to ensure a club wont break? Changing the lie angle of a club can help golfers more consistently hit shots off of the center of the clubface. Bending irons 2 degrees stronger gopher99 May 9, 2021 May 9, 2021 Thread starter #1 G gopher99 Active member Joined Mar 15, 2019 Messages 233 Hi, i need some info from the more knowledgeable people on here than myself, I would like to bend my mizuno 921 forged irons 2 degrees stronger to fit in with the gapping on my wedges. May 23, 2016 at 04:54 PM. Restore formatting, I know it will increase the bounce. Pasted as rich text. 1 is somewhere between somewhat important to very important, then the next question has to be. I truly wish customers would do their do diligence before getting fit. Well-regarded at home, he mixed his time in junior golf with the likes of Min Woo Lee and Curtis Luck, during which he finishedrunner-up at The Players Amateur before winning the elite Porter Cup and being part of the victorious three-man Australian team at the Eisenhower Trophy, played partly at El Chamaleon, scene of the Mayokaba events on the PGA Tour. I do know a typical modern club the PW has the loft of like an older blade 8 iron. Thanks for your advice, its been helpful. TM TP EF Tour Issue 50* & 56*, 62* Can someone please discuss the advantages and disadvantages of increasing loft on an iron by 2 degrees? That would depend on what GI head design you have and to be quite honest the only way to be sure would be to test these irons on a golf radar. Generall, Dont worry and overthink this like most doo. Its ball speed not loft that is increasing distance. Check out the different lie angles of a standard 8 iron from these three companies: I know that the difference between these angles doesnt seem like much. Lower lofts will travel a bit farther and a bit lower, higher lofts will travel a bit less and fly a bit higher. Golfers change the lie angle of a club to better their chances of hitting the center of the clubface. My name is Justin and I am a PGA Golf Professional. I was fit for my current irons and they were bent 2 degrees strong for ball flight purposes. Unless of course it's a long iron and you have a hard time elevating it in the first place. I know some pros naturally hit it higher, and some lower. Potentially, this would mean the toe digs in and your shots go right (right handed). But bending an iron weak is not as well understood by many golfers, so they are more hesitant. The G30 is a high-launching game improvement design. Routinely, I notice longer than standard 85g shafts with these sets. Your link has been automatically embedded. All Rights Reserved. Endycotts weakness so far seems to be the driver, and with his stats suggesting he recovers well top-15 for approaches in recorded events this non-penal track should suit. You might find that you ask yourself if you are better or worse than the average golfer? This feels like an anyone week the back-nine on Sunday could be fun. Mizuno irons can be adjusted to varying degrees depending on model and material type. How much will bending an iron affect how it plays? The reason this happens has to do with an iron's center of gravity (COG), because when you lower an iron's COG you add a lot of potential height to a golf shot. To do this, simply Google, Golf Club Fitters Near Me and you will get a great list of places that will make sure you are playing the right lie angle for your game. Golfers should liken their iron fittings to that of a driver. Usually weak, but occasionally strong, and if done intelligently where you don't hurt the clubs playability it's no big deal. Typical launch angle would improve from 13-14* to 17-18*. The one with a ballflight too high, is delivering the clubhead Thanks! To do this I will need to bend the 6 iron - PW 1 degree stronger. Any knowledge on the subject would be appreciated. Study those players and mimic their set-up and you will take another giant step toward playing better golf. Step 1 for those golfers is to increase ball speed. TM TPx. Anyway, the scorecard couldn't care less what club you hit. You may want to try searching if you need more info. Your previous content has been restored. Hes happy to answer any of your questions! Here are some of the facts, and fallacies, about club adjustment. Will I be digging too much? Started Thursday at 03:24 PM, Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here, Please put any questions of comments here. Ping G400 Max driver w/Aldila Rogue 125 Silver Each one of those sees him rightly disputing the market number one, but Im not sure I can get involved at around 20-25-to-one with any of the favourites, even if they hold excellent claims. So I hit my standard 50 yard pitch with a 54* wedge. Distance is fine, but I have an overly high flight in the wind. A 1 degree lie angle change, either flat or more upright, can cause a 4-yard difference either left or right of a straight target. I was 50 yards out on the 3rd hole, and was in the moguls. Cleveland RTX4 50, 54, 58 Yes, it would make the clubs a little 'longer' (with a lower ball flight), but it might not be worth it, especially if you already take a divot. Clear editor. of distance, and more playable iron trajectories. I did this with my current set and the results are great. So to get the most performance out of each iron, for these low ball hitters, we need to add loft. Forged irons should be checked every year or 2 anyway for loft/lie. Learn how your comment data is processed. Ok thats good to know, the longest iron I carry in the bag is a 6 iron so it wont make that much of a difference then in the long irons. But regardless of the type of change you are trying to make, you also have to be willing to commit to it and suffer the learning period oftentimes you have to get worse (for a while) to get better (permanently). You can be assured there is not a single successful player in the professional ranks who does not have a fundamentally sound grip on the club. What I was hoping from this article was proof for that a current 46* MB/CB PW doesnt go any further than the 47/48* PWs of the past. Decided to get lofts and lie's double checked on my irons for peace of mind and following a gap check session get them bent 2 degree strong to the original manufacturer loft spec. And here is why. Step 3. some strong lofts there, i thought you had blade type irons so, which have weaker lofts? would 2 degrees be too much and change the club's characteristics too much? 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 The Honda Classic - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am - Discussion and Links to all photos, Fitness, maximum efficiency for the time spent. I am glad you mentioned shaft length, static lengths for GI clubs, how it impacts flight, etc. I am a good long iron player and prefer them over fairway woods and especially hybrids. TaylorMade M1 15* Tensei CK Pro White 80X or What are you trying to achieve? I highly recommend that golfers get fitted before making a large purchase on golf clubs. If the hosel design and manufacturing processes allow it, the lie of an iron can be bent 3-4 degrees or more with no compromise to the integrity of the head. Best of luck.Chuck. Definitely worth getting L/L check done and adjusted where necessary. Absolutely GREAT analogy RoverRick. traditional lofts ftw (let the technology be what determines added length/distance, not loft changes). Calla SuperHot (Orange preferred) ||Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag. Chamblee takes on Tiger: Brandel, meet Bayless, Tweets of the week: Lizards, grammar police, bad greens, worse sunglasses. I am purchasing new irons and am seriously considering getting the lofts 2* weak to create a 48* PW and 4* loft spacing. The concern is that all the fitting carts only have 6 irons and with the gaping on the 3, 4 and 5 irons lonely being 3* I am concerned on irons would react to my adjustments. . I haven't built them yet, i was wondering if the results are still working out a year or so later? But what about the mid and low irons, yes I understand some companies make 6/7 hybrids (7 and up is very rare), but you can not really replace an 8 iron with a true hybrid. I know its different for each golfer depending on their individual characteristics but do you have rough numbers (for iron set) to be looking for in terms of launch angle, spin rate etc. Whether its changing the lie to improve accuracy or changing loft to make sure that the players clubs are progressively consistent, angle bending is a major factor in club performance. Seems that the article could have suggested that for higher swing speed players, the stronger lofts and COG location is necessary to not have the ball shoot straight up. My advice would be to start by making sure the lofts are set to manufacturers specs. -How much do you vary on club delivery for Angle or attack and Dynamic loft? I'm fascinated by your basis for changing the lofts? I have been reading that the more offset you add it will end up more of a hook shot. Good point. Thats basically what companies are doing anyway. That said, no equipment can make up for poor fundamentals in your approach to moving a golf ball around three to four miles of real estate in the least number of strokes. ***GIVEAWAY*** Cleveland CBX ZipCore Wedge! I have a 2 iron bent 2 strong to 16. 00bolt, September 12, 2016 in WRX Club Techs. Would bending it serve the same result? However, even a degree difference can affect the direction where the ball might start out and can be the difference between you hitting the green, and you landing in a bunker! 4-6 more yards (depending on club and swing speed) and lower launch with less bounce. This applies to both face angle and lie. 16,822. JavaScript is disabled. I'm guessing it will dig more but how much more? Vokey 54.10, 2009 58.12 M, Testing TM MG2 60* TW grind and MG356* TW grind. You don't say what club it is, but Rev said it sounds like a long iron and I agree. TM M2 8.5* Graphite Design Tour AD GP 6X+ Using like say an Older Macgregor blade butter knife with a thin sharp leading edge on the sole if you deloft more than 1 degree or so you have a chance of digging to China. 3" = 4.6* and 6" = 9.2* change in loft. After a quick gapping review we bent 2 clubs and tried those out which gave a good base to work from. Display as a link instead, Thats not to say this exotic land doesnt bring a classy winner. Machines with fixed measuring gauges will not be accurate when measuring clubs with offset, progressive offset, or face progression hosel positions. One good example comes to mind. * MD4 54/10 S-Grind replacedMD3 54/12 W-Grind. Ping Glide wedges w/Recoil 110 I did the math on these numbers years ago when I had an early release and wondering why I could not hit the irons very far. When you get 2* gaps on the long end there is almost no difference between clubs. FAQs My old callway x forged dug more than my bent mp-4's. Driver: G425 LST 9on Fujikura VENTUSBlue 5S, Fairway: G425LST 3w on Fujikura VENTUSBlue 6S, G425MAX 9won Graphite Design Tour ADDI7S, Utility: KING Forged Utility Black 4 on UST RECOIL SMACWRAP, Irons: KING Forged TEC Black5-Gon Mitsubishi MMT, Wedges:ES2154& Hi Toe Raw58on KBS Hi Rev 2.0, Putter: Triple Track Double Wide White Hot, Balls: Pro V1TP5xChrome Soft Triple Track x LS. Furthermore, he was 15th at the end of the first round on debut here last year and 11th after Thursdays round at the correlative Corales in the Dominican Republic. I find Callaway irons have to much bounce to begin with esp. On the opposite and gapping from AW to 9i is very wide about 16 yards about between clubs. It is a combination of those factors to get consistent results. With all due respect, I am not saying you do not, but club fitters do this all the time and if they mess it up then they can replace the club. Then if your wedge gaps are off you might tweak them a degree. Shane Lowry on the new Srixon ZX Mk II line (fairway wood, utility, ZX5/ZX7 irons). Hi everyone, sorry for the slow reply! And you are right about the irons listed, X Hot is a shockingly low launching iron and the G25 would be the exact opposite, with Rocketbladez mixed in the middle. Ping G410 Plus Oban Kiyoshi Tour Limited Another point regarding GI/SGI clubs that I would love to see a fitter touch on is shaft length. Since such a precise hit is needed to take advantage of the lower loft, the average distance each club hits the ball tends to converge at lower lofts for less-skilled players. Say you start with a classic blade 7 iron with 40* static loft by how much could you reduce the loft in conjunction with a GI head design without launching the ball lower? Yeah, you can bend them strong and not notice the difference in terms of look. Product Instructions & Manuals 2. The new era of stronger lofts is all about how far to hit 7 iron vs how close to hit 7 iron and more accurate. Ping G410 LST 3 Wood Oban Tour Prototype V430 -How much do you vary on club delivery for Angle or attack and Dynamic loft? But the end result for an iron fitting is the same: I want the customer to leave with a set of irons that produce the best possible launch conditions for them. I bent them 4 degrees strong to keep my flight down as I hit moon balls with my X700 shafts hardstepped X3 ", Ping G400 Testing G410. Yes, thats essentially what Im asking. Your link has been automatically embedded. It is a taylormade udi 2i that I want to bend from 18* to 16*. And its one of only two elements of the golf swing that require absolutely no physical skills. Each player is different and because of this each iron plays different for each player. Ping G425 5 wood & hybrid Simply put, bending the iron 6.5 degrees strong wasn't an option. Yes, it is possible to bend the irons 1-2 degrees stronger, but by doing so you would be reducing the effective bounce on the clubs. There is no worry about bending a club that was bent last year or last week. Machines that adjust for all hosel positions, such asMitchell Angle Machinesare accurate regardless of the offset or hosel design of the golf club. You are also all correct in that it is a long iron. make it a "digger" per say? But i am talking more along the lines of the bounce, leading edge, etc. That said, people will usually launch clubs higher with a longer shaft length as well, (mechanical advantage/physics) so again, it kind of goes hand in hand with the stronger lofts. The MB and CB clubs you have need a bit more loft to get the ball launched well. Youll be amazed at the difference a properly fit set of irons can make to your game. I also don't mind the little more offset I don't over cut it. The bounce will be irrelevant to begin with in that case anyway. Ping G425 Max 10.5 - Ventus Black 6X or G425 LST Ventus - Black 7X, Ping G425 Max 14.5 - Ventus Blue 7X If you can get it in the air, no problem. What to consider when bending golf clubs. I created this website after hearing the same questions from my students over and over as a place where new golfers can come to learn and improve their golf game. 1 for 1, loft for bounce. On GI long irons vs players irons have different width soles, are the effects of bounce differ between the two if the loft is a degree stronger? KBS even notes it in the swing speed recommendations for their different model shafts, as their very lightweight steel shafts are about a full flex softer frequency than the standard weight counterpart. You dont need to bend the clubs. Fairway Metal- Taylormade SLDR Mini Driver 12* w/ Fujikura Rombax TP95-X", Utility- Mizuno MPH5 1 iron w/ Aldila RIP 85X (depending on course/ conditions), Irons- Mizuno MP- FLI HI 2i w/ Aldila Proto ByYou 100X Add loft for distance?????? What bounce does is keep the leading edge from digging into the ground. The golfwrx wannabe touring pros will argue otherwise.. After reading the headline I was expecting a slightly different subject discussed but this topic is something Ive been wondering about myself. The point is today, regardless of your skill level, if you work on making your grip and your set up closer to the proven fundamentals of the best players in the game, your path to better golf becomes infinitely easier. In fact, a sound, fundamental hold on the club is the first step in setting up for a technically sound golf swing. Among full-swing clubs, drivers have the lowest degrees of loft (some pros use drivers with as little as 7 degrees of loft; most recreational golfers use drivers lofted at 9 to 14 degrees). Clamp the piece in so only a 1/2 inch below where you want the bend in the angle iron is flush with the top of the vise. Club design of a particular club can be a factor also. When you make the club loft stronger you decrease loft, when you make it weaker you increase the loft. It just depends. You cannot paste images directly. (I ran into this today.) This will give you a low-to-mid-range straight shot. You can post now and register later. Sorry to be a jerk but this topic comes up quite regularly so there are dozens of threads in the archives discussing this same topic. The ball came out much higher and shorter, just like you would expect from a 63*. Titleist does recommend no more than +/- 2 degrees from factory and you should be ok. Any more and there is a risk of the stress cracks in the hosel area (primarily cosmetic). Getting your first putt inside three feet will greatly improve your score. MyGolfSpy Forum Virtual Golf Tournaments, Forum Featured:Community Map & Course Reviews, By Manage your expectations, dont expect to hit every shot close, Make smarter club choices based off the above, Be sensible: The middle of the green is a GREAT place to be, The average golfer will get up and down from a bunker, 1 out of 5 times, The average golfer manages to get up and down around 1 in 3 times, Short game shots from the fairway have the highest success rate. It can be re-bent without any adverse effect on it. Hope I did not complicate this any and maybe helped you, Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex---- 3 wood TM V-Steel Aldila 65G R Flex 15*--- 7 Wood TM V-Steel UST Pro Force 65 R flex 21*---- 9 wood TM V-Steel stock MAS Stiff shaft 24*--- Irons 4 thru 9 Mac Muirfield TT black label --- PW Vokey SM-4 51* stock shaft--- SW Vokey SM 5 L grind 58* stock shaft--- Putter -- Rusty Scotty Santa Fe fluted Bulls Eye shaft---. Offset degrees especially with a long iron can be a factor along with sole design. There only seems to be one logical reason to do this and thats just in the odd situation where someone needs more bounce. Epoxy Curing Times for Golf Clubs, Work Life and Shear Strength. "I suppose its better to be a master of 7 than to be vaguely familiar with 14." Lofts don't always come in 4-degree increments. I know my distances with the Ping set too well and I dont want to go through a whole season of trial-and-error with new irons, so would it make sense to have my new Mizuno irons bent to the old Ping specs? I suspect Ill be waiting a very long time, Amen, finally some one with great insight. The 27-year-old made his way onto the top level by virtue of his performance on the Korn Ferry Tour during the combined Covid seasons, and hes doing a great job in honing his craft. Most people won't hit a 2 iron off the fairway though, so they probably won't take a divot at all As far as bounce goes, do you really think a club going 100 mph is going to be affected by 2 less of bounce? Should I see any difference in 1 degree stronger irons? Club fitters are able to bend clubs to increase or decrease the lie angle using a loft, lie bending machine. If you think about it, a flatter lie would be toe down for your swing. All very well getting consistent loft gaps if your distance gaps are varied. St Louis, MO. . When my first 'proper' set of clubs (MP30s) were done - at the same time as a Driver Shaft fitting - a couple were out considerably (the 6 iron had the loft of a 5!)! Good info to pass along regarding COG. I always found it a bit strange that I could be 20-40 yards ahead of some friends yet hit the same distance with mid to short irons. And visa versa, if the original bounce is low and/or the club has a sharp leading edge, the reduction in bounce may have a significant impact on playability. Dont worry and overthink this like most doo. Yes, it would make the clubs a little 'longer' (with a lower ball flight), but it might not be worth . Lets assume that the launch angle with a modern-lofted set of irons is ideal. The Wedge Guy: What really makes a wedge work. Putters have the least loft, usually from 2 to 4 degrees. After the back-to-back top-25s, he was a sneaky play at a long price for the Honda, but was never comfortable, withdrawing during the event with sinus issues. I showed him all the stats on the monitor and he was in agreement but when it came to buying the actual driver he insisted on buying the 9.5 head with the TP after all the work on the launch monitor. Bravo, As a club fitter who deals with players that purchase equipment based on what their ego tells them they need verses the facts this is a breath of fresh air! If its putting or greenside scoring, spend your time working on those aspects instead of beating balls on the range. This is especially true of clubs made with long hosels. Show Your True Colors With Mitchell Golfs Custom Color Program. (I ran into this today.) If you're a true picker, wont make you a digger. And here is why. Bettinardi Studio Stock SS28, Didn't think of that. Titleist 620 MB 5-9 Oban CT 125